Taboo to Truth: Inside the World of Adult Film with Rachel Steele

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Rachel [00:00:00]:

Looking forward to shooting. Looking forward to shooting with new people, new talent and all that good stuff.

Deborah Kat [00:00:07]:

Got it. But sounds like you guys are safe. Safe at the moment.

Rachel [00:00:13]:

Yes, we are in an area called Beverly Wood, so we are. So far we're safe. I don't know how long, you know, but Mother Nature can change direction and change paths with the wind.

Deborah Kat [00:00:26]:

Yes, she can. Yes, she can.

Rachel [00:00:28]:

She's pretty pissed, apparently.

Deborah Kat [00:00:32]:

Apparently. So just, you know, some of the things that we were talking about. Talking about, talking about were of course, you know, your story about how you got into the work and you know, your mission, which, as I understand it, is to bring more. A different aspect into, into the adult industry, into adult film and to make it more accessible for. For people as they age and for women and for. To give it a bit of a different spin. And then, you know, some of the other things that we talked about is art and how that works in, you know, how that's part of your, your life and your mission and basically, you know, how to kind of how to watch porn in a way that it's like entertainment. And yes, you can get a couple of tips, but it's not reality and it's not education.

Deborah Kat [00:01:46]:

So. So, yeah, is there anything, anything else that sort of. That's up or that's, you know, interesting for you to talk about at the moment? By the way, you are gorgeous without makeup on.

Rachel [00:02:01]:

Oh, thank you. I'm like in my little bathrobe. I've just been working, working, and the day got away with me, so. Got away from me. Thank you, though. Yeah, no, I think you covered everything, really. There's. I don't know what else to talk about.

Rachel [00:02:19]:

It's, you know, it'll be interesting. These next few months, I'm going to be staying here in la. I've been really reaching out to a lot of different folks, talent and going to be working in some. With some people in Las Vegas. And for me, this is huge because I've always been under the radar as a. As a performer and as a producer. In the beginning, when I started this industry, in the industry, my children were young, underage, and I just. My partner and I at the time decided that we wanted to keep this under the radar, that this was not something that the family needed to know about.

Rachel [00:03:05]:

We didn't know how to go about that conversation. So this is another topic that's really interesting too is how did. How to navigate families, friends, co workers, people you meet just out and about. What do you do for work? Yeah, and I look like A deer stick in the headlights. Just. I don't know, what's your name? You know, all these little triggers that can pop up. Who do you tell? Who do you don't tell. You know, do you are.

Rachel [00:03:39]:

Could you be in trouble if they know what you do and you're in. In your home? You know, there's legalities involved and. And stuff like that. So, you know, but getting back to. I'm excited now because now I'm actually. I feel free. I. I can produce and be who I am, and I can be out there.

Rachel [00:03:57]:

I'm not closeted anymore. So that's very liberating.

Deborah Kat [00:04:02]:

Oh, I love hearing that. Congratulations.

Rachel [00:04:05]:

Thank you.

Deborah Kat [00:04:06]:

And, yeah, it's a. It's a tricky one. It really is. So, speaking of which, is there anything that we. That we can't talk. That you don't want to talk about?

Rachel [00:04:18]:

The only thing I wouldn't want to talk a lot about would be my children and their lives or, you know, family members. I would want to keep that kind of very. Yeah, well, yeah, so.

Deborah Kat [00:04:28]:

But we can talk about the idea of having family in an adult industry, and how do you navigate that?

Rachel [00:04:35]:

Absolutely. Yeah.

Deborah Kat [00:04:37]:

Okay, great. Well, in that case, I would love to go ahead and just jump in before we have too many interesting conversations. Conversations. So. So, yeah. So I'm gonna just go ahead and read the Better Sex podcast and.

Rachel [00:04:55]:

All Right.

Deborah Kat [00:04:56]:

Introduce you and ask you to tell your story, and off we go.

Rachel [00:04:59]:

All right. Sounds great.

Deborah Kat [00:05:03]:

Welcome to the Better Sex Podcast. My name is Deborah Kat, and I am your shameless host. This is the Better Sex podcast where we have unfiltered conversations about sex and relationship. Conversations are frank and sometimes explicit and may not be appropriate for all audiences. So please listen with care. I truly believe that a sexy world creates a happier and a safer world. If you want to do your part to create a safe and sexy world, please hit, like, subscribe and leave a comment. It helps us get the world, get the word out, and create a more shameless world.

Deborah Kat [00:05:45]:

So today, I am so excited we are going to dive into the world of my guest, Rachel Steele. She is the CEO of Red MILF Productions, where she's had various roles including actress, producer, writer, director, set designer, costumer, makeup artist. She's done it all, and she's built her career from the ground up. Her entry, I love this part. Her entry into the adult industry was through a wet T shirt picture that she entered into a hot wife contest. Well, actually, her husband put it into the hot wife contest. So I am really excited to Dive in to learn more about who she is and to take a different look at the adult industry. So welcome Rachel.

Deborah Kat [00:06:40]:

I would love to hear a little bit more about how you got into, how you got into the what is Red MILF Productions and how did you get into this world?

Rachel [00:06:52]:

Yes, thank you. It's lovely to be here. I always love to share my story to inspire others and yeah, help in any way that I can. Just as the story says, as you mentioned, I, I literally got into this industry quite by accident. It was never an intention of mine. Once I, once that image was submitted and I won this little contest, I was very surprised at the little contest check that came along with the winnings and I was like, oh my gosh, this is two weeks paycheck for me. In one little snap of a picture which I enjoyed doing. I was having fun doing that and laughing and giggling and being really myself.

Rachel [00:07:42]:

And so I started, you know, kind of fast forward a little bit. I, I do dove into it. I, I looked on the website that my partner told me about at the time that he entered the, the picture into the contest and then I saw their website and I saw people that were shooting on these websites and thought wow, I, I, I look very similar to these women and these people and I, I wonder if this is something that I could do because you know, getting a paycheck if with, without a form, formal education or any kind of, you know, trade is tricky and difficult and I was always struggling supporting my young family at the time and so the money really appealed to me. And then I doubt dove into the whole webcam thinking well I'll just start with that and webcamming and found that I really enjoyed that, the whole aspect of talking to people and they were very shy most of them, they didn't show themselves so their little on their end, their camera was blocked out. Obviously they're watching me because I'm going to be doing a performance for them. But they would tell me their wildest kinks and their secrets and their, you know, their secret little kinks that they would, you know, never tell anybody and, and they would sometimes whisper while they were talking because I'm, they were afraid of being heard or, and it was just, I found it to be psychologically very interesting because I was like, I feel like I'm helping people, like I'm support for these people reaching out with their, their sexual desires and kinks and I can bring that to life for them by performing. So it was very rewarding and it still is very, to me it was rewarding. It's like a service that you're giving someone and they really appreciate it and they, they're very happy.

Rachel [00:09:43]:

You know, very rarely do I deal with anyone saying, well, that was a complete waste of my time and that was the worst experience, experience I've ever had in my life. I will never come here again. I'm gonna report you to the porn police.

Deborah Kat [00:09:57]:

Let me, let me ask you for people who haven't had the experience of, you know, either, like, they don't really understand what camming is or what webcam is. Can you, can you break that down for us? Can you tell us a little bit more about like what happens in a session and how that works?

Rachel [00:10:17]:

Sure. So this was back in 2007 or so. So it was a, a lot, a lot of technology ago. Those very probably dinosaur compared to today's webcamming services that are available. But basically back then it was, you know, I'm sitting in front of a computer that has a little camera or I could plug in my video camera to the computer. And then on their end it's just like this zoom call that we're doing right now. I can see you, you can see me in little squares. But usually the customer would have their video camera turned off.

Rachel [00:10:58]:

Whatever, you know, they were wanted their privacy for whatever reason. I obviously would have mine turned on. They would send me a little message saying, I would like a 10 minute show, a 20 minute show, a 30 minute show. I would then send them the little price list and then they would tell me what it is that they were looking for on that show. And it was all solo stuff, so just me. I wasn't performing with anybody else at the time. And it could be anything from foot worshiping or shoes, anything to do with the feet, which is a huge fetish to lingerie. Fetishes of I love satin lingerie.

Rachel [00:11:40]:

Can you wear satin lingerie and masturbate while you tell me how silky the satin lingerie feels against your skin? And they would have obviously masturbate on the other end. So it was basically people will tell you whatever it is that their fetish or kink is what they want to see. And then I would agree to, to do that. And then they would make their payments and then our session would begin and it would be on a little timer letting them know, you know, 10 minutes or 15 or whatever the, the show was going to be. And then at the end of that show, you know, I would then click, you can see, you know, there's other people waiting. So Then you click on the next person and you just. That's called webcamming. And you just can webcam all day.

Rachel [00:12:24]:

You can click turn your button on when you're available and then you turn the button off when you're not available. So, you know, I would click on it about 11 in the morning and click off about 6 or 7 at night. And I would do that several days a week. And I was making really good money, starting to build up a clientele. I was having repeat people come back, so repeat customers. And I was offering, you know, being a previous salon owner, I was aware, you know, of customer service and how to get repeat clients and etc, so it just all sort of fell into my lap and it was just the next thing that I was doing business wise.

Deborah Kat [00:13:09]:

I love that you bring in the idea of customer service because I don't think that's something that we often think about in the adult world.

Rachel [00:13:17]:

Yes.

Deborah Kat [00:13:18]:

And what would you, so what would you do that you would consider to be customer service that might be different than another cam operator?

Rachel [00:13:29]:

I think that I offer a very personal experience and I meet people where they are and I respect who they are. I have a lot of patience for quantity of people coming and coming and going. And from, again from working in the salon industry, you know, I was booked solid. Every single day, every hour I had a different person sitting across from me in my chair. And so I'm dealing with that individual and then she leaves and then there's another person in my chair from 10 in the morning till 7 at night, non stop. Every week for months, for 10 years I did that. So now I'm dealing with a different customer with a different request, but it's still a service and you want them to be happy and you want them to come back. That's business 101.

Rachel [00:14:20]:

Keeping it personal, keeping it real, being respectful, not shaming and just trying to do the best that I could do for, for that individual's request.

Deborah Kat [00:14:31]:

Well, so I know that shame and sex can be, there's, there's a, there can be a lot of shame around sex.

Rachel [00:14:40]:

Yes.

Deborah Kat [00:14:41]:

And specifically when, you know, you were talking a little bit about people would ask for fetishes or they would have something that they were really interested in that they might feel shame around. And I mean, have you always been, you know, understanding and sort of shameless or was that something that came with, came with time?

Rachel [00:15:08]:

Well, I think that, you know, I've always been understanding to people's situations, but sexually speaking, this came with time because I grew up in a very traditional New England household back in the 70s. It was very difficult time for women. A lot of shame around sex. Unbelievable. We just started watching rewatching the Sopranos, and I don't know if you've ever watched it, but there's a whole conversation about men giving women oral sex and that it's considered weak. And, like, they're a. If they eat, they're weak. It's something shameful.

Rachel [00:15:51]:

They should be embarrassed about it. They're considered. Excuse this word, but I'm going to use it because they used it in the Sopranos. You're a. If you eat pussy, which doesn't even make sense. But this is the mentality that I'm talking about that I grew up with. And men were like that with us. We were very shamed about our bodies.

Rachel [00:16:13]:

So along with that, I. I'm growing into an adult, into a sexual being, and I was carrying that baggage around with me. So I was never very open or very excited about sex because I was not having good sex. I was not having good relationships, healthy relationships. I was involved in very talk, toxic, abusive relationships that I found myself a pattern in, a little pattern of. That I finally realized, woke up, got out of that, got therapy, and, you know, changed. Changed my ways and has had a lot of growth since all that. But, yeah, so being open sexually to all these kinks has definitely taken time, because when these guys were saying, can you do this or that? I would be like, in my own head, I'd be shocked, going, oh, my gosh, I've never heard of that.

Rachel [00:17:04]:

But, yes, of course I can do that. And I would do it, you know, fake it till you make it. And then I started learning more about the fetish world and kink and BDSM and all that good stuff.

Deborah Kat [00:17:17]:

So I'm curious, hearing you say that about, you know, the negative piece around, like, eating pussy. It seems to me that it's changed and now it's sort of gone to the other extreme where it's like, you know, every man or. Well, not every man, but, like, you know, often there's this like, oh, so we kiss, I eat your pussy, you suck my cock, then there's penetration, and then there's climax, and then we're done with sex.

Rachel [00:17:49]:

Yes.

Deborah Kat [00:17:50]:

And I'm. How. How has. Have you seen that change or have you.

Rachel [00:18:00]:

Wow. Well, in the adult industry, that kind of seems to be the norm, and that seems to be the formula. And that really is the scripts that I receive. A lot of my films, majority of them are Written by the fans and the followers. They send in their ideas and they're either a custom made video or they're just like, hey, I have some ideas. Would you like my ideas? And I always take them and read. So that does that, that is the formula in, in the mainstream, I would say. So I, I think that my, my, my films are, I try to pull away from those norms and, and then I create more of a storyline so that there's more stuff going on in the individual who's watching in their head.

Rachel [00:18:54]:

They can be more cerebrally stimulated than just visually stimulated by watching a hot woman remove her clothes and a hot guy have sex on camera. Which starts with kissing, ends with, starts with kissing, then there's oral, then there's penetration, then there's climax and then it's over. So I try to. Well, I don't try. I do create films that have at least 20 minutes of build up. You know, clothing changes, different scene changes, different conversations happening between each character to build up. Who is that character? What are they doing? What are they feeling? What are they, what, what's the vibe here? What direction is this going? Is this something that's taboo? Is this something that's forbidden? You know, is this cheating and sneaking and whatever the, the, the vibe is going to be about the film? We try to really build that up with storyline and then the last part of the, the film will be the sexual encounters and we try to make them as erotic and more detailed as possible.

Deborah Kat [00:20:12]:

Can you talk a little bit about Red MILF Productions?

Rachel [00:20:18]:

Sure. You mean like the content or.

Deborah Kat [00:20:23]:

Yeah, I mean. Well, I'm curious how it came, came about and like, what makes it different than some of the other production companies out there.

Rachel [00:20:35]:

Yes, well, it came about because I have red hair and I was deemed a milf and it's my production company, so we just named it Red Milk Productions.

Deborah Kat [00:20:46]:

Awesome. And for those who may not be familiar with the acronym milf. Do you want to tell us what that is?

Rachel [00:20:53]:

Mother? I'd love to. Fuck yeah. I didn't even know what that word was when I first was called a milf. My partner at the time that I started the, the company with, he said it to me one day, just being goofy, he just, he just said, you are such a milf. And I was like, what is that? What is that? I don't know. And he told me and I was like, oh my gosh, I never heard of that before. So that was just sort of a. Interesting how that all came about.

Rachel [00:21:26]:

But I would say that the the difference between my production company and some other production companies and there's a lot of them out and I don't have the time in my day to possibly research and watch all of the production companies, but I know there's really, it's getting better and better. There's a lot of really, really quality production companies out there that are much more, you know, geared towards women and their pleasure and relationships and stuff like that that just, it's healthier, little healthier to watch. But I feel like my, what makes my production company a little bit different is in the beginning, as I said, we were basically trying to stay under the radar and sort of underground and we're producing films and I was at number one for over a decade, standing at studio, top selling studio on clips for sale for over a decade. And we're still trying to stay under the radar being one of the number one top studios. Every platform I went to, I soared right up to number one and stayed there. And I think it's because the difference is I was shooting with amateur people, except for females. The women I was working with were in the industry and working with other production companies, but the men that I was working with answered ads like on Back Page or Craigslist. And they were literally, I put an ad out saying, if you're attracted to older women and you are open to shooting sexual content that will be sold on the Internet, contact me.

Rachel [00:23:09]:

And that's how I hired all the men that I worked with until just about a year ago or two years ago. This is when I just started to work with actual professionals that are in the industry that work with talent agencies and, and you know, have experience in filming. So that's the difference that I worked with amateurs. So these people were coming over, they were actually attracted to me and very nervous. And you could see it in the scenes, in the sex scenes and all of the scenes, they're wide eyed and excited and scared. And it just adds a whole different element to, to filming then working with professionals who all show up and are like, all right, scene one is this and that, no problem. I can, I can, I can keep it hard and her for 45 minutes if you need me to where these guys literally shaking in their boots. And I'm like, I kind of liked that.

Rachel [00:24:08]:

It was exciting and it was fun and they didn't take any pills, there was no Viagra. There was nothing like that happening. So that's. And you know, I like to call my work professional. Amateur.

Deborah Kat [00:24:22]:

I love that. And so I noticed as you were Talking about that. That there's a real enjoyment for you, it sounds like. So it sounds like you really still enjoy your work.

Rachel [00:24:35]:

Yeah, I really do. I really enjoy the whole creative process to making film. Being a film producer. I'm fascinated by it. You know, the whole. The whole process from hiring folks to setting up the shoots, to deciding what we're going to shoot, and then the whole process of what will we wear, what will the camera angles be, what rooms will we be in, what will the lighting look like, what will the dialogue be? So, yeah, I really enjoy the entire process.

Deborah Kat [00:25:11]:

Sounds like a very artistic venture for you.

Rachel [00:25:14]:

It really is. Yeah. It's so much more. I know a lot of people just think when, you know, if you say I'm in porn, which is. I don't even like to just say it like that. I like to say, I'm a film producer, I produce films. And if they. Of course, the next question is, what kind of films? And then I say adult.

Rachel [00:25:30]:

And then I think that people put you in a little box thinking that, you know, you just open the door, the plumber is here, you pull down your pants, you bend over, and that's. That's your creative process, and it's just not.

Deborah Kat [00:25:42]:

And how much. Going back to women's pleasure, I'm curious how. How you frame that in your movies.

Rachel [00:25:53]:

Well, it's tricky because, again, this is a form of. This is entertainment. Absolutely. Entertainment. So we don't really have the time and the luxury to just lay back and literally let the guy or the girl or whoever you're, you know, being intimate with. You can't just lay there and be real. This is entertainment. So, you know, we're on a time schedule.

Rachel [00:26:19]:

We're paying people to be there. We've got a cameraman, an editor, a lighting person. You know, all the actors that are there all getting paid. So it's like, first scene is this second scene. So we're not like, literally just laying back moaning and groaning in pure ecstasy. Pleasure. Orgasmic. You know, we really have to kind of do a lot of acting to get through those scenes to.

Rachel [00:26:42]:

For reasonable reasons, you know, for. For cost of production and. And whatnot. But, you know, working with these professionals that I have been working with, they're all wonderful folks who are very geared towards your pleasure. And they will ask me before scenes, is there anything you would like me to do? Is there anything you would like me not to do? Do you like to be touched a certain way, a certain place? And so people are definitely more aware and more concerned about everyone's pleasure. So we are actually receiving and giving pleasure while we're filming. We just don't have the luxury of being able to maybe just take the time that we would normally take in our personal lives to really enjoy that sort of a sexual experience.

Deborah Kat [00:27:32]:

Well, and I think you. You point to something which is that, you know, the adult films that most of us see are about entertainment and not about education so much.

Rachel [00:27:45]:

Right.

Deborah Kat [00:27:46]:

And it seems that unfortunately, many people use them as educational or because we're. Because we have so much shame around talking about sexual. And because what we are allowed to talk about in education wise about sex is so limited that we need to go somewhere.

Rachel [00:28:10]:

Yes.

Deborah Kat [00:28:13]:

And one of the things that I enjoy about your films is that there is an element in many of them about introducing into, you know, into sex, whether it's sort of the. The stepson or the. The, you know, cousin or the. There's a lot of family taboo going on.

Rachel [00:28:36]:

Yes, that's. That's why the word taboo. Yeah, that's. That's. That was the biggest seller for me in the beginning. First it was milf, and then one customer reached out and said, can you make a movie about a mother and a son? Son. And you know they're gonna have sex? And I read the script and I thought to myself, yeah, sure, why not? Because this isn't real. This is not real.

Rachel [00:29:04]:

This is, to me, entertainment fantasy. It's a script, just like the movies. When you go to a movie and watch the movie, unless it's based on a true story or a true story, it's fantasy. So these people aren't really getting killed. They're not really dying. Sharon Stone didn't really get shot, you know, so I'm thinking in my head, so this is the same thing. This isn't really my son, and he is of age, and we are consenting adults. So let's make this.

Rachel [00:29:35]:

Why not? And I did it. And I guess I was the first one to do that. Nobody else was doing it. Everybody else was doing stepmom. And it went viral. It went crazy. And it brought me right up to number one and kept me there. And I thought, wow, look at this.

Rachel [00:29:51]:

This is really doing well. And then I started getting bombarded with customer requests. Can you do more stuff like that? Mom, son, mom, daughter, dad, daughter. Family. Family stuff. And then I realized, okay, this is Taboo family fantasies, which I have a whole series of taboo family fantasies on my website that I made. And people love it. And it's.

Rachel [00:30:17]:

It's something that, you know, I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but there's a lot to be said about these fantasies, and they're very real. And there's millions of people who have these fantasies. And what I've learned from them is they're not actually fantasizing about sexual relationship with their actual existing family members. It's just the mother figure, the matriarchal thing. It's like a mother figure. Not my actual mother, not my actual father. I'm not fantasizing about actually having sex with my mother. You know, so people have told me this, and they were just like, it's just the hearing the word mom, you know, just.

Rachel [00:31:01]:

It's the most taboo. And people like taboo. If you tell them, do not eat that cookie, you know, that's. The cookie looks even more chocolatey.

Deborah Kat [00:31:13]:

So is. Is that still your. Your most popular request or are you noticing a shift in anything?

Rachel [00:31:22]:

No, it's my most popular request. Unfortunately, we are now bound by all kinds of bureaucracy that we cannot use the word mom, mother, father, daughter, son. We can't even be in our language. I've been. So much of my content, we were doing so well on pornhub, and so much of it has been removed because it goes against community guidelines. I've been shut down on Instagram, I think four times. One point I had 264,000 followers. They shut me down, said I was against community guidelines.

Rachel [00:31:58]:

And I'm not using these words. I'm not saying mom son. But they just. I don't know why, but it's, you know, just taken down. And so now everything that I'm doing moving forward, I'm having. I'm being forced to use stepmom. So unfortunately, the whole mom son thing is no longer allowed by the credit card processing companies. It's all bureaucracy.

Rachel [00:32:24]:

It all goes from our talent right into the credit card companies saying, no, we're not going to process any payments for any kind of content like that. So that's the shift that I've noticed.

Deborah Kat [00:32:42]:

So the shift is about the bureaucracy versus being about the desire of what people are looking for.

Rachel [00:32:51]:

Yes. And I'm sure you're familiar, as I've done some other podcasts with sex workers and sexologists said that they can't even spell out the word sex on most of the social media platforms. They have to spell it S, E, GG G, S or they can't even discuss. And they're licensed therapists that are, you know, sex therapists that can't even discuss their business or anything on some of These social media platforms. So it's putting us all in a box. It's a shame because we're really. Our reach is being limited and we can't reach people. And I find that if, if, you know, you can prove yourself by verifying yourself and your content.

Rachel [00:33:40]:

That, yes, everyone I shot with, here is their paperwork, here is their identification, here is a video of them saying, yes, I am of age. I was not under the influence of alcohol or drugs. I did not do anything against my will. I was not harmed. During the filming of this, we did all of that. We follow all the guidelines, all the federal guidelines, and still we're very censored, extremely censored. And that's very frustrating because we're just trying to produce entertainment that can fulfill people's sexual fantasies without harming anyone in the process.

Deborah Kat [00:34:21]:

And I think, you know, the service that I really see coming from the adult industry is giving people a place to, you know, to feel expressed. Giving themselves. Giving people a place where it's like their, Their thoughts, their feelings, their fantasies can be expressed without shame. Yes, because I think, you know, we started to talk a little bit about this, you know, earlier, but like, that shame piece is so damaging because it goes to a core place of like, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough. You know, I'm wrong, I'm bad. And when people live with that kind of shame bottled up, they, a, they don't live very full lives, but B, you know, they can be dangerous.

Rachel [00:35:17]:

Absolutely, yes. We're doing the world favors. We're doing the world a good thing, a justice when we can provide these outlets for folks, as you said, because sometimes this can get their outlet. They can get it out instead of repress, repress it and then become unhealthy in lots of ways.

Deborah Kat [00:35:46]:

And do you find that people, even though it's not necessarily education, do you find that in some of your fan letters that they learn things?

Rachel [00:36:02]:

Well, I have. I. I still receive so many over the 20 years. I'm constantly receiving emails from people saying, thanking me for the content that I've produced because they never knew they even had this fetish. But now they realize it's one of the, the biggest fetishes they have and they love it and it's changed their life and made them a happier, healthier individual. And they're happy that they have an outlet to go to. They watch my films. They're like.

Rachel [00:36:33]:

Some of them say things like, I, I really only enjoy your corn because you, you do the whole taboo thing and you do it so well. It's, I'm, I'm tired of the mainstream stepmom stuff. It doesn't do it for me. There's 22 year old women claiming to be stepmothers and I, it's, it's, I don't buy it. And your stuff is so realistic and I just love, you know, and they go into detail about what it is that they love. But yes, absolutely. When you provide, you know, this sort of entertainment for folks, it's, it's an outlet and it's a place that they can go and be themselves and know that they're not alone because they can see, look at all the people that are following. Look at all the likes.

Rachel [00:37:13]:

So I'm not the only one watching this. Millions of other people are watching this. That means I'm not the only one that thinks this way. That means I'm not sick. Because some people have expressed feeling that they thought that they were sick, they were sick individuals. And like you just said, that creates shame and that creates living less of a life. And that can create harm to oneself or maybe to others. And it can just really, it's a ripple effect.

Rachel [00:37:39]:

So it's wonderful when you can have a legitimate outlet that is some adult entertainment that has been vetted, that is not exploiting any people, that is following all the rules. And it's just too bad that our culture, our society at a whole, can't just, you know, let loose a little bit, let go of the grip of control and power. And, you know, this through whatever religious beliefs or whatever, just live and let live as long as people are not being harmed, you know, and I just don't know when or if that's going to happen. It feels like we're getting more restricted and more censored than I've ever known it to be.

Deborah Kat [00:38:28]:

Well, I, I can't believe how fast our, how fast time has passed.

Rachel [00:38:33]:

Yeah.

Deborah Kat [00:38:34]:

I am going to invite you to take a moment and just think like, if you want one, if you, if there's one thing that you want people to walk away with from our conversation today, what that might be. And while you're doing that, I'm going to take a moment to let people know how they can support the Better Sex podcast.

Rachel [00:38:53]:

Right.

Deborah Kat [00:38:54]:

So better sex is going to save the world, in my infinite wisdom. And here's the thing, sex is a complex issue and it can make or break a relationship. And unfortunately, as we've been talking, most of us don't grow up in an environment where talking about sex is welcome. And that's why I offer a better breakthrough, better, better bedroom breakthrough session. And this is a personalized one on one experience where you get to discover what is holding you back. Because let's face it, a podcast may not be enough, no matter how good it is. And so I invite you to take a moment, check out the show notes, and make an appointment so that we can talk about what sex is for you and how to make it better. So I'm curious.

Deborah Kat [00:39:46]:

Rachel, first of all, thank you so much for taking the time to have this conversation with me. What is it that you really want people to know and to walk away from our conversation?

Rachel [00:39:59]:

I would like people to know that aren't maybe people that are not too familiar with the adult industry and the filmmaking aspect and producers such as myself. I'm a producer and a performer, so I've, you know, I'm experiencing everything from both sides. I would say have a little more understanding that we are the, the majority of us are legitimate people that really do care and we are not exploiting or trafficking. And we, we need that support. We need the community as a whole and followers and fans and people that might be listening for the first time, that are curious to go to my website and take a peek at some of the content that I produce to understand that I am the woman next door. I am your neighbor. I'm a mother, I'm a daughter, I'm a friend. I'm a hard worker.

Rachel [00:41:00]:

I'm a film producer. And this is entertainment. We produce these things to create joy for people to be able to express themselves and learn more about themselves and just have some fun and to realize that it's, you know, it, the stigma that that is attached to it is just a bunch of. So, yeah, it's just a stupid little stigma. Just flick it off, flick it away.

Deborah Kat [00:41:26]:

Thank you. I really appreciate that. And I really wanted to just underline what you said about, like, people who are on screen for the most part with legitimate, thoughtful production companies are. There are choosing to be there and there is a whole process that happens before. Before you even get accepted to be on screen.

Rachel [00:41:54]:

Absolutely. Yes.

Deborah Kat [00:41:56]:

You know, I think it's, it's so unfortunate that, like, this is the. That when we think of, like trafficking, that this is where our mind goes.

Rachel [00:42:07]:

Absolutely.

Deborah Kat [00:42:08]:

Because the actual thing is it's like that's not exactly the way that happens.

Rachel [00:42:14]:

No, we're not the bad guys. And if you're looking at us as we are the traffickers and we are the ones that are doing these things, you're looking at the wrong people and the people that are doing it are not even being looked at. So, you know, leave us out of that mix because that's not where we're at. That's not what we do. And like you said, it's a whole process to even be shot and accepted and testing and paperwork and boundaries are discussed and all kinds of stuff. So, yeah, we're really legitimate and we're filmmakers and then that's it.

Deborah Kat [00:42:49]:

Thank you so much. Rachel Steele, the CEO of Red MILF Productions. Thank you so much. Where we can find you?

Rachel [00:42:59]:

Yes, my website is the best place to go. It has all of my links for social media and everything that I'm doing and my newsletter and all of that. And my website is rachel-steele.com and that's rachel-steele s-t e-e l e.com. that would be the best place. Or you can find me on X@redmillfrachel.

Deborah Kat [00:43:25]:

Got it. And of course, everything will be in the show notes. And so please go ahead and follow her. Check her out. Really good stuff. Allow yourself a little bit of pleasure. A little taboo pleasure. Absolutely.

Deborah Kat [00:43:43]:

And please, if you want to bring more love and better sex to the world, subscribe like. And if you think that you know someone who might be helped by this conversation, please help us spread the word. So again, Rachel, thanks for. Thank you so much. And to those listening, bye for now.

Rachel [00:44:02]:

Thank you so much. Deborah. It was a pleasure.